Tuesday, July 31, 2012

It Is Essentially TREASON!!!


My good friend Rollie Hanson brought up a good point in a discussion about the power and influence of big wind foreign corporations within the U.S.   He asked “Is this the way it will go from town to town?”
I got to thinking and want to expand on those thoughts.
In the industrial wind and renewable debate you often hear that big wind and solar are going to lead us to energy independence, energy security, and thus strengthen our national security. It all sounds so patriotic.  Problem is it necessitates the destruction of democratic and patriotic principles to get there, backed by large foreign interests and backed by our own governments and citizens as well.
However, what  happens when large foreign corporations secretly slink into small rural communities out of sight of the large urban areas where the political power and votes are?  Then they to subvert the very fundamentals so essential to American democracy by intimidating  voters and suppressing  free speech using uniformed American citizens and governments as their  direct agents as we have seen right here in Cape Vincent. These people who become agents of big wind  have no clue what they are doing in the blindness created by sums of cash.   Big wind is  in fact attempting to quietly subvert community by community the very system we have used for a couple hundred years in American to hold off this type of enemy and the threat to freedom and democracy…yet we wake up some morning and there they are right in our community…right in our  back yard.  Makes me proud to be a NIMBY!!!
What’s worse,  the NYS government is, with their Article X, working on behalf of large foreign strategies to take away our rights on the  behalf of these corporate bullies at the expense of our communities and very freedoms and rights. It is not a joke or small potatoes.
Somebody is going to have to explain to me how this industrial wind invasion subverting our rights and freedoms and democratic system slowly and quietly town by town  on the behalf of giant foreign energy corps  is supposed to add to our national security when they take our fundamental rights away!!!!! You don’t appease this type of system.
The new Cuomo PR ads on TV even in my state of AZ  tells the world  “New York Works for Business”.  That is code language that large corps clearly understand.  The ads just don’t tell you or show you the subversion of basic rights it will take and how far NY will go and what they will sit by and endorse to keep NY open for business.
Essentially NY enabling the subversion of our rights and democracy out of sight  in our small rural communities is akin to treason on American communities and citizens!!!  It just looks all so respectable. At the same time they march the message out  before the world telling them to look at the wonderful things they are doing for renewable energy, the climate, energy and business.  Hidden out of sight in the ads is the fact our communities are being badly exploited.  Think about it…in rural NY you essentially now  live in the third world where resources are exploited at the cost of human rights and the voices that oppose it are silenced.  Whether it’s here or in Latin America or anywhere else it’s NO different!!!!
We in Cape Vincent KNOW all too well the end results of this insidious subversion of our rights on behalf of large corporate interests and how it grinds away at our freedoms.
There should be NO appeasement…and considering this... we can not allow it to happen here.

WARNING - Community Under Threat - Do Not Tread On Us!!!!

               The Voters For Wind have had their signs...maybe this should be our rally cry!!!



Everyone needs to go to the JLL blog and read the excellent comments by Cape Vincent resident Jack Freislich.  And a  thanks to Cape Vincent  Councilman Clif Schneider for his comments as well.
 Thank you Jack, you have set an example for everyone to follow.  We ALL need to stand up now.  I want to reinforce Jack and Clif’s comments with my own as well.
The industrial wind assault on the small once peaceful Cape Vincent community has been ongoing and unrelenting.  However, in the last few days it has reached a new insidious level with the attempts to silence the JLL and Pandora  blogs and their commenters.  This is a direct threat to democracy and our ability to have one last effective political arena to have the average citizen’s voice heard. The effectiveness can be measured directly by the fact this law suit even exists and who is behind it.  Not long ago the US Supreme Court gave corporations the power to put unlimited sums of cash in the pockets of politicians.  As a result  the voices of the average individual  becomes more faint  every day.  The blogs and social media are among  the last few refuges for the average citizen to be heard and exercise power.  Now corporate and political power knows they must  control it  too through intimidation.
I have my differences with the local blogs, that is no secret, but that is in the realm of strong political opinions, nothing more.  Whether it be Mr. Wiley, or Ms. Muschell,  or me,  we all  have our right to participate in the democratic process with our ideas and opinions and approaches .  Actually that is the entire point that we now have to defend. 
But this law suit  is different.  This has escalated well beyond just opinion.  We are now ALL under threat, and the threat is an insidious attack on what we hold so  basic and fundamental.  Actually we have been under threat for some time, this is just another incident that vividly underscores  how ugly this really this is and will become and why some of us have been screaming that we should not appease the corporate backed NYS assault on our community and freedoms and why we have to draw a line in the sand.  In many ways this is what Dave Lamora was trying to get us to recognize in his actions at the zoning public hearing.  Appeasing Article X is appeasing the exact powers  which are now trying to silence our community.  As I said in a previous post…we as an entire community have been told that our three minutes to speak are now up…and the rules here are, either you do it our way or you will be intimidated and sued!!!
 Regardless of our differences,  I will always recognize the  tremendous impact and effectiveness JLL and Pandora’s blogs have had in defending our community against the onslaught of raw corporate power. 
At this critical point I stand fully with the CV blogs on this issue.  Despite what people say about me, or my political views  or beliefs, or my approach to make those views heard…I don’t care… this is too important and I stand with the blogs and will contribute to their defense fund and will encourage others to do the same.
For a long long time I have stood my ground on my no wind beliefs and my no appeasement approach,  and I will continue to do so. For a long long time I have tried to tell people how nasty and ugly this is and will become and the world wide importance and implications even though we are just a small rural community.  Many times it seems I have been alone.  But on this new direct assault on our democracy and our small community  it is time to stand up and nobody should stand alone.  People, enough is enough.   You either stand up now or you don’t.  And consider putting you name behind it to send a strong message that this time recent events have done nothing more than to energized us into a unified and  strong defense of our community and rights.
It is time to follow Jack’s example and STAND UP!!!!!
There is a legal defense fund for the two CV bloggers under attack (see below).  Even if you feel you must remain anonymous please consider a substantial contribution which essentially is legally defending YOUR rights and the whole community  as well!!!!

Legal Defense Fund:

Debra Sullar
1319 Wilson Point Road
Cape Vincent, NY 13618



Sunday, July 29, 2012

Read the Letter From the River Rat on the JLL Blog

Over on the  blog JLL, there is a good  letter to BP exectutives  outlining the issues surrounding BP's determination to site a large industrial wind complex in Cape Vincent.

In my opinion this letter should be placed as a large ad in the Watertown Daily Times with a background photo highlighting CV's beauty.  The wider the distribution the more effective it will be.

Of course placement in the Albany paper or any other large media outlet would be advised as well.
The bigger the better.

BP is not spending millions or billions on PR ads about the Gulf about its recovery efforts for no reason.  They have deep enough pockets that they could have paid their fines, walked away, and gone right back to pumping oil in the Gulf.  So ask yourself,  why are they spending all that money on positive PR?

Take a lesson here!!!!  I would change a few things in this letter, shorten it a bit and make it an ad.

Better yet put something similar on TV.  Not all solutions are at the voting booth.

Friday, July 27, 2012

OUTRAGE!!!

It has finally happened.  We have finally raised so much opposition for BP they are  ready to savage our small once peacful community completely with their raw unbridled power. What they did in the Gulf they are now going try to do to us quietly out of sight. It is time for outrage. 

This is not so much about BP's wind farm at this point it is about the battle now. Actually it has been for some time. 

There are a lot of issues at stake here in CV for BP to want to make an example of and to overcome. The conflicts  of interest, the AG investigation, the beautiful scenic nature of our region, the other environmental treasures like the migratory flyway.  The stakes are big here and now add the power of the bloggers and freedom of speach to radically change the political environment in opposition to BP's or any coporate  raw power.  People of small means can suddenly and effectively oppose raw coporate and political power.

This is now an additional painful lesson from the public hearings a week ago of limiting free speech. As I said be careful what you wish for in rigid rules and restrictions of freedoms or rights even when they appear on the surface as reasonable.  BP and the politicains that support them are  telling the blogs and ALL of us our three minutes are up!!! Now it is up to all of us to not sit down!!! How irionic!!! 

 It appears the favor of Article X is not enough, they will chose to try to punish us all further and teach us a lesson and make an example for other communities and  people who might oppose them.

If you were not outraged before you should be now.  190 industrial turbines in this community or whatever the latest number is will destroy it completely.  That is apparently not enough.  They will also beat us senseless as well.

It is a  time to be outraged. It is time to scream so loud nobody can ignore us. It is no longer wise nor has it been to appease.



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Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Reflections

Yesterday (Wed) morning was a beautiful St Lawrence River morning.  My wife and I and a friend decided to take our sea kayaks for a paddle up river and catch the lull in the wind while it switched from north back to west.  The morning  was an iconic summer Cape Vincent morning.  Boats running about, people lounging  on their decks, people fishing and swimming.  It was a morning that makes you feel like summer is never ever going to end. When you slowly kayak by it all seems like a slow motion documentary of why so many of us love Cape Vincent and the river.  Winter seemed forever far away...but we all know better.  Each season has about 90 days. That means the the middle of the summer comes about Aug 4th not too  far away now. But by the Earth's movement we have been sliding toward winter since about June 21 which is the longest day of the year. 

 I have been battling against industrial wind in CV since the early summer 2006 when I got onto the comprehensive plan strategy and fighting against the wind corruption and what it meant.  That has been 7 summers and the time in between and frankly I am not sure I want to waste another summer on it as another summer slips away.

I am not going away nor is this blog...at least for now, but this blog and I are  going to take a rest,  maybe just post pictures of the scenic beauty of CV from time to time and hope people understand what might get taken away from us that we will never get back.  That actually was one of my goals in opening this blog to showcase the regional beauty and hope people wake up before it is too late. I have gotten away from that lately. As I talk to people around the community it seems like many are asleep not wanting to deal with it any longer and just hoping it will all go away. Probably just what BP is waiting for.  Just wear us down till we don't care and think any solution looks good as long as the "experts" say it is  right.  The experts give us the needed cover so we don't have to examine or think about it too much.  Just give us any damn wind law and let's move on seems to be the thinking. All our opinions  have  been stated and all that remains is the ceremony  of a  vote. Actually if you have been where I have been in the battle and know what I know this appeasement wind law was started long long ago when Mr. Hirschey took over WPEG and nothing much has changed.  And there is no one on that town board who will think in any way other than what Hirschey wants. As they say out  west...they all ride the Hirschey brand!  I have pretty clealy outlined my beliefs, and I don't think there is anybody who follows the CV wind battle who doesn't understand where I stand by now.  Basically considering  the circumstances I have said everything I need to say.

This and the fact that our town board has been locked down on only one solution to this wind battle with setback zoning and appeasement of Article X to the exclusion of everything else and not going to change their minds means to me there is nothing else to be done.  I opened this blog to give an alternative voice to what could be done to prohibit wind development and fight Article X, but that has fallen on deaf ears, so now we wait and cross our fingers.  Whatever happens now Hirschey and his board and the people who support them own it lock,stock, and barrel. I simply don't think that is going to work effectively.

So now it is time for me to relax and try to start unwinding from 6 years of this wind battle.
Please stop and take some time to enjoy the rest of the summer in our spectacular regional  surroundings.  It might be the last one where we all can do that!

Art Pundt















More About Noise and a PVA???? AGAIN!!!

On the JLL blog the noise issue is up and running once again, and right along with it is the absurd discussion about a property value guarantee...or have a wind developer buying up your  property because you can't sell it because it is worthless due to the overwhelming impacts that wind  zoning allowed into your community and has actually forced people to move.
This is NOT a form of zoning protection...IT JUST NUTS!!!!!
Now here is a wild concept.  If the land use is so terribly invasive that you have to provide compensation for people because they will actually move away to get relief from it...how about prohibiting that use altogether and get rid of it so people won't  have to make that terrible decision to rip up their entire lives and  move
DDDUUUUUUUHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Two things to note here.
1.  The zoning committee put NO PVA in the zoning law after the town board and the "experts" were humping on it for months!  Why?  Because they must have finally figured out what a  completely screwy and undefendable  idea it really was.  But keep in mind we were told at one point by all the "experts"  we absolutely had to have  a PVA.

2.  If this noise reduction technology is serious and works what does that mean?  What it means is they can  justify cramming more wind turbines in right up closer to your house.  If it works now what do you say?  Your  noise arguments go right out the wind....dow!  Like Homer Simpson says

DOOOOOT!!! 

 Instead of facing up to the the obvious about  this insane useless invasive industrial wind technology we try to play these little games with controlling it with setback zoning.  A game that could come back to bite you right on the ass.

 Don't like the noise...ok we will make them quieter.  Don't like them killing birds...ok we will move them a few hundred feet.  Don't like the looks of them...ok we will paint the light house for you and put a new clock on the fire house.

Don't like that your residence is worthless now...ok we will give you a bag of cash to move so stop bitching!!!  And we do this so we can appear "reasonable".

Then there is this comment on JLL

"I personally submitted several pages of suggestions to the Public Service Commission regarding improvements to Article X on property value guarantees. The PSC ignored all my suggestions and property value guarantees are not mentioned anywhere in the final Art. X rules just adopted by the PSC recently. The PSC called for suggestions from all New Yorkers and ignored just about all that were submitted to them."

Yeah... well what exactly did you think was going to happen?  They are setting up a system on behalf of wind developers to rape your community...did you actually think a letter to the PSC that say please don't rape us and if you do pay us some cash is going to make a difference?  I can't believe the political  fantasy some people live in!!!  This is why I refused to write them and endorse that bullshit system. The NY PSC must have taken an example from our CV  zoning committee where I submitted two papers of zoning suggestions to them and they outright rejected them.

Then there is this comment"

 "Notice the Cape law doesn't suggest a property value guarantee, but assumes a big setback from where most residents are located (the waterfronts). Smart move."

Smart move?????  Yeah real brilliant move to throw the people in the CV interior right under the bus. That could end up costing us all in legal fees if somebody in the interior wakes up to how badly they got screwed...and BTW this is exactly what I said would happen, and exactly why I was asking so many questions of these candidates BEFORE the election and why they kept ducking those questions and would not take a stand on wind and focused it on ethics. I tried to warn you!   If they had said they supportted pushing turbines into the CV interior and screwing those people they would have been screwed in the election...yeah brilliant move!!!  They are using those people in the interior as  a big gambling chip in the zoning game HOPING that it will work.  Why do you think they worked so hard to get the seasonal vote?  Probably because they knew those people live on the water.  In fact that is one thing Dave Lamora was saying in  the public hearing, that ALL people in the town should be protected EQUALLY and if you do that there is NO room for industrial wind at all, and he wanted uniteruppted time to defend all our rights...and what do the Hirschey supportters do...they  attack him! You can bet most of them live on the waterfron too.

And consider where your town board lives, they live either in the village or near the village or on the waterfront. Smart move for WHO?????


Tuesday, July 24, 2012

Wind Developers and Rattlers - Both Are Out For The Deadly Kill!!!!


           Picture taken of  a Grand Canyon rattler from a recent search I was on for a missing hiker.
                                     Note the raised tail as he sends me a warning!


When I was in college at N. AZ Univ. I knew a guy who was studying herpetology which includes the study of snakes.  He had snakes in aquariums in his dorm room including rattle snakes believe it or not.  Since I was a rock climber and hiker sharing the same domain as rattlers I was kind of interested in their behavior.   I found out one thing interesting was that many snakes, not just rattlers, vibrate their tails when threatened.  Rattles just happen to have rattles.  And the sound they make, which I have heard a number of times in the wild as well, is more a  buzz than a rattle.  Hear it once and you won’t soon forget it if you  hang out where rattlers call home.
My friend invited me to come to his dorm room when he fed the rattlers.  So I took him up on it.  It was kinda gut wrenching what happened next.  
He had one diamond back rattler  about 2 feet long in a glass enclosure.  He picked up a small mouse by the tail, and as it wiggled he  dropped it in the glass box.   I felt so terrible for that poor little mouse who knew immediately  he had just been sentenced to death.  The snake didn’t move an inch.  The mouse was in sheer terror scrambling around the square glass box desperately looking for place to hide.  There was none.  The mouse was in such terror he even ran right over the snake’s head and body several times.  The snake still didn’t move.  He knew he didn’t have to.  In the wild this would have been a hunt,  the mouse might have had a chance and a place ti hide, but here it was just a cold calculated murder.
The rattler just sat there for a long time, and the mouse calmed down a little.  Then it started.  The rattler began to ever so very slowly coil.  No rush no hurry but deadly committed.  He sat in the coil for a while and at point where the mouse hesitated for split second FLASH WHAM!!!!  Faster than lightening or faster than you could real even see the rattler struck the mouse broadside.
The rattler didn’t get excited after injecting the mouse with its deadly venom.  It was a cold deadly calculated kill.  No fuss no muss…game over!  The snake then slowly relaxed and went  to a corner and watched.  The mouse had jumped at the strike but then sat numb.  He scrambled around a bit but slowly the snake’s  hemotoxin, which is a toxin that attacks the blood,  slowly did its  job and took over the mouse’s body until after a few convulsions it finally collapsed.
Then very  slowly and deliberately the snake slid silently over to the mouse and devoured it whole! That was not a smooth process.  The snake had to sort of gulp the mouse’s body down a little at a time.  He would gulp in  then rest, then gulp in again with its muscles, and finally the mouse disappeared and became a lump in the rattlers body.
Now if you have been involved with wind developers in Cape Vincent…does this story of the rattler and mouse remind you of anything?  It should,  since the lease holders and the politicians just fed our community to BP then closed the lid with Article X.  And BP just sits there and slowly coils waiting for the exact right  opportunity for the deadly calculated kill as we wiggle and squirm!
Just like the mouse, our community got plucked up by the tail and as we wiggled and squirmed we got dropped into the glass box with the rattler and then the lid was tightly closed.
And the snake is asking us to not be unreasonable as he coils for the deadly kill. 
And the really scary part in this story is …. far too many of us are willing to agree!!!!!!

It's A Conspiracy!!! - Run For Your Lives!!!

Pandy on her blog is claiming there were deep dark " conspirators" behind  Dave Lamora's speaking at the Sat. public hearing on  CV zoning.  She even has a " deep throat" like secret informant just like Watergate who spilled their guts on what they knew.  Wow!!! such melodrama and right here in CV.  Boy, I am glad Pandy uncovered this devastating information to protect us all.

Good God woman are you really serious????  Here is what she said:

"Saturday’s public hearing Re; the newly revised zoning law, was a strange affair.
After witnessing Mr. Lamora’s conduct at the meeting I was not going to post anything about it. However, a confidential informant told me that this was a staged event and that the conspirators had been boasting prior to the hearing about what was going to happen."

Strange affair???? 

Now I get this amusing scenario in my head.  In the dark of the CV night, Pandy slinks off while her husband is sleeping dreaming of being a town counselman.  At 2am somehwere in CV she has a secret meeting with her deep throat informant.  Maybe in the potra john at East End Park.

She tells him she is tired of his cat and mouse game and she has to know what he knows right now.  Aftet all her reputation is on the line, and all of CV is depending on her.

He lights a cigarette, tells her to get out her notebook and sit down and brace herself because he is not sure she can handle the truth!!!.  But there's  already a problem ...only one person can sit down in a porta john so she sits and he stands.

Then he spills his guts...he thinks Dave Lamora and others may have talked about Dave asking for additional  time to speak at the public hearing.  Maybe even Art Pundt.

Suddenly she screams,   "Oh my God it's a deep conspiracy, I have to save the govt"  as she bolts from the porta john her body is back lit by the red glow of the Wolfe Is. turbine's lights!!!!!!

Now seriously, this is actually big news?????

There was no conspiracy, there was no bragging, Dave did what he did on his own.  Sorry to burst your little melodrama bubble Pandy!

What Are We Missing Here Mr. Wiley????

Read this quote from Wiley at JLL and see if you can figure out what is missing. He is talking about the process after the town board has reviewd and made any changes to the the zoning and comp plan.

"The two Draft documents will now be reviewed by Jefferson County Planning, then will be subject to approval by Town Attorney Paul Curtin after which they will be electronically filed in Albany."
Figure out what is missing????  Well if you have read any documents on zoning, comp planning, and passing local laws from the NY Dept. Of State you will recognize it right away.
The little insignificant thing Wiley left out was:


 THEY HAVE TO VOTE TO PASS THOSE DOCUMENTS!!!!! 
 
These documents are not filed with the Dept of State until they are voted on. Then they are still not law until  filed with the NYDOS...only then do they become  local law. And technically the comp plan is not a law. Even though I knew this I still verified this in a pleasant conversation  with Cape Vincent Town Clerk Michelle Bouchard this AM.


Here is a link where you can view the process of filing a law with the NY Dept of State.


http://www.dos.ny.gov/forms/corporations/0239-f-l.pdf


Despite the law according to Wiley, the law does not actually become law until it is voted on and after it is filed with the NYDOS.
Now I find this an interesting slip of the tongue on Wiley's part with his rabid blind support of the new town board.  I actually do know that he probably  just slipped up and forgot the vote.  But I am betting that deep in his mind this is how he would like it to go.  The "experts" have done their work, they have spoken, so that's good enough for me, so let's not muck it up with any of that messy democratic business of actually voting on it!!!
Now don't everybody get you underwear in a wad...I know this is not what our town board and Wiley are really thinking or intend to do...but this reminded me of the 2006 efforts of Rienbeck and Orvis to kill the 2006 will law process. They formed a resolution to STOP the process.  They didn't have the votes because of recusals by Wood and Mason.  So the resolution to STOP the process FAILED.  This means that the 2006 wind law zoning process should have continued on.  But what happened?  Even after a democratic vote that failed to stop the process...they didn't like the way the vote came out, so they just walked away and ignored the vote.  Duly elected officials given a sacred pubic trust just ignored a public vote in a democratic process and stopped the wind law process anyhow.  They should have been immediately removed from office!!!


It was bad enough that the zoning process was stopped, but the real insidious story missed by many was how they did it by just completely hijacking the democratic system on behalf of the wind developers.  If a vote to STOP the wind 2006 process FAILED logic says the process should have continued.  If a resolution to buy a new town snow plow fails...you don't just turn around and buy the new plow any how in defiance of the vote!!!!!
In the end it was probably good that the process of the 2006 wind law failed. Maybe we should be thanking Rienbeck and Orvis.   Back then everybody was about compromise and many didn't understand the implications of industrial wind energy.  That was 3 years before the Wolfe Is. wind fiasco where that reality changed a lot of minds.


Over on Pandy's blog she had a good post of the 2006 public hearings on that old wind law.  It's from a newspaper article.   She claims we have come a long way since July 2006 as indeed we have.  We have gone from ridiculous setback compromises where everybody was scared to death to come out against green wind energy, to a " defacto ban" on wind development and a comp plan that finally recognizes wind energy is not a good fit for CV!


The question in 2012 is will this defacto ban stand up to Article X?  Too bad we can't vote to stop that process because I think we are going down the wrong road once again to defend against the wind and State onslaught to remove our home rule rights.





Monday, July 23, 2012

The Town Board Has Rules They Feel the Public Must Abide By - And So Does Article X When They Preempt Our Zoning Laws - Question Is Do We Quietly Sit Down And Abide By Those Rules Too????


I am going to preface my remarks by making it clear this post is my opinion only.  Dave did not prompt me to post anything and hasn't since I opened this blog.  He prefers you call him and hear his side of this public hearing  story directly.  You can see his number in a post below.
I believe the controversy of the  public hearing represented a severe test of our ability to understand the concept of rights and if we have the political will and basic understanding to defend against Article X.  In my opinion Dave presented us with a very subtle yet extremely insightful challenge to see if we truly understood what was at stake and how the community will actually react when the battle begins.
I think many of us including me, until I had time to analyze it  later, never even realized what was happening or the relationship to Article X and what it meant beyond Dave’s specific zoning input. That is painfully obvious in the shallow blog reaction.
NYS grants us the home rule rights to comp plan and zone and  determine our community’s future.  Many of us feel those rights should be strongly defended.
 Article X actually recognizes our rights too, to protect the future of our community through land use. But there is one significant clause in that law that severely restricts our rights well beyond what is reasonable.  Article X is absurdly patronizing us with this gross contradiction  by saying that you can have your rights to zone as long as you agree to strictly play by OUR rules, rules formulated from large corporate interests, not the traditional zoning concepts of health safety and welfare.  This insidious game is given power through the ability of Article X to preempt our zoning laws despite our rights to comp plan and zone as we see fit.  It really now is not a fight about should we prohibit or zone by setbacks. What it is really about is the insidious tactic  Article X uses to  terrorized communities into believing that one of those rights is no longer even yours as an option or right.  You don’t have to wait to see if Article X will preempt your laws, because in essence by this tactic they already have.
If we  go down this zoning appeasement road or we play along in any way to compromise or enable it…we then essentially have NO community zoning rights at all.  Just about all of us in the wind opposition and beyond recognize this as an  absurd magic trick that we will not stand for.  Well, at least that is the current bravado!!!
Now fast forward to the Cape Vincent zoning public hearing and the controversy surrounding Dave Lamora and his insistence on his right and the right of anyone to speak for as long as they necessary and uninterrupted to reinforce their points. 
Speaking to petition your govt is a right granted in the US Constitution.  It doesn’t have any arbitrary time placed on it.  You have a RIGHT?  Arbitrary time constraints and even negotiating for more time starts you down that slippery slope.  So where is the criteria line as to how far we restrict that right as long as the speaker is relevant and addressing the issue at hand? The debate alone is of critical importance and is actually how we finally get to relevant decisions and policy.  And the more important question is, who has the right to restrict your rights with arbitrary speaking  rules some of which are just as completely arbitrary as the rules in Article X  which  restrict your right to your community’s future, well  maybe just a little bit here or there to be “reasonable”?  Arbitrary speaking rules can open the door to abuse of power to any other entity  that might have an agenda like our previous town board and their agenda on behalf of industrial wind developers.  They would just as arbitrarily restrict our right to speak and in fact shut down meetings completely so citizens could not be heard.  The only protection is that you have a vague hope that the powers that control the public’s right to speak  won’t be arbitrary and will be responsible, and all too often that is not the case as we saw with our previous town govt.  The right to speak is a critical right.  So where is the town board coming up with the three minute time limit?  It is a complete arbitrary and completely unreasonable number considering the gravity of the subject matter.  The fact is there was plenty of time for all the speakers to speak quite long, and frankly if that took till midnight on this critical historic matter… so what!
So Article X grants you rights … as long as you play by their rules under the threat of  preemption based on the arbitrary justification that energy siting is a critical State concern.  Something they haven’t even proven, just as  our town board grants you rights as long as you play along by their arbitrary rules as well.  There is no difference if you really want to talk about rights. In my  opinion Dave Lamora was incredibly insightful to see this comparison along with his points on the zoning law. He placed  a critical test of rights and how we perceive the threat of Article X right in front of our eyes to see if we really comprehend what is going on and what it will take to fight Article X effectively. 
In essence the town board with their arbitrary restriction of Dave’s and all of our speaking rights,  and demands  that the only way we can have those rights is if we play by their arbitrary speaking rules is doing to us the very same thing that Article X is threatening to do to all of us when they tell us we can have rights too…as long as we appease them and play by their rules. Yet the vast number of people who are now familiar with this CV public hearing incident never saw this.  In my opinion I think Dave in large part put forth a severe test for all of us to see what we would do as a community.  Kind of a mock battle if you will to test our metal for the extremely hard battle we all know is coming.  So how did we do?  In my opinion, based on the blog reaction, the town board reaction, and the comments…we failed miserably.  In fact not only did we fail, we failed to even recognize where the battle was taking place and who the enemy is.  That is pretty damn scary to me considering what we are facing. 

So do you out there on the blogs and in the community actually have any grasp at all about what you are actually doing when you attack Dave?  You are actually defending and endorsing the very tactics of the State’s Article X.   By defending the arbitrary speaking rules of the board and their and your demands to inflexibly stick to those rules or even putting other “reasonable” restrictions on them at all. As you defend  the town board and attack Dave  you are supporting and endorsing the very same thing you are frightened to death of that Article X will do to YOU Play by our rules or we will take your rights AWAY, or you will be arrested!!!  You can’t win in that game with appeasement.  When our board was confronted with this situation they failed to grasp the fundamentals and over reacted because they had very little else in their file to compare to except what experts had prepared for them and rigid arbitrary rules.  This does not inspire confidence in me about their judgment in the zoning process or the coming defense against Article X.  They still have time to rethink their approach and Dave’s commitment to help them defend against the insidious Article X threat to our community, and to home rule and zoning rights themselves.

I  have known Dave a long time.  I know he is a very bright and perceptive man. If he did what I think he just did he just went up one more notch on my scale.  If I have to follow someone into battle over Article X, I will follow  someone who has the insight and flexibility to endure by creatively structuring the fight and adapt on he battle field instead of following  people using an inflexible one dimensional zoning approach AND  imposing the very same stifling  tactical rules that Article X will use on us. I can’t wait for an Article X board to tell some of you to sit down and be quiet after your three minutes, and that you are out of order and will be arrested as they strip away your rights to defend your community’s future.
And the critical question is, when an Article X board comes to town just exactly what are YOU going to tell them? Are you going use the same tactics that you are using to defending the town board? Are you going to comply and  say you are willing to play by their arbitrary and patronizing rules to restrict your home rule rights?
The sad part, and what I think many of you don’t see about what Dave has tried to pointed out  was…if you endorse the zoning law appeasement of Article X to look  “reasonable”, and let it drive your zoning process by implied threats when we can’t even clearly define “reasonable”, and if you have written letters to the PSC in effect validating the very rules  process being designed to take your home rule away, or if you sit down when somebody arbitrarily says your time is up…then you already gave them your answer, and every time you attack Dave you once again reinforce to NYS and BP your wiliness to compromise and follow rules that put you at an extreme disadvantage.  Under these circumstances nobody will have to tell you when your time is up and to sit down, because you will have never had the opportunity to stand up at all as your home rule rights evaporate!
You can bet that NYS and BP are already taking notice of your willingness to give up your rights and play ball by their rules.  They  will formulate strategy based on your willingness to relinquish your rights through some vague attempt to be “reasonable,  and your willingness to repeatedly attack the very man truly willing to  defend your rights and the community’s rights to home rule.  They can already take measure of how effectively the Article X threat is working to paralyze our community.

Just remember with each of your attacks on Dave or comments to adhere strictly to the "rules" when BP brings the  Article X board to town they will recognize the precendent you are setting on inflexibly  and defense of following arbitrary rules.  They will expect you follow your very own precedent in following their arbitrary rules as well, as they preempt our zoning and take away our home rule rights...

... be careful what you wish for!


The Sheep!!!!!


Just an update.    As I said I spoke to Dave Lamora this AM and he requested I put his phone number out there for anyone who wanted to talk to him and try to understand his perspective.  I asked if he had asked the same of the other blogs and he said he had put a comment on each one saying that anyone could call him and he would discuss it with them in a more calm setting.   He mentioned that not long after Pandy (K at Pandora’s Box of Rocks) saw the comment and quickly removed it.  Yup…one thing you can say about Pandy is the great independent researcher and thinker falls right in line and is beyond predictable especially when her husband is running for a spot on the Hirschey govt  and falling in line is part of their vetting process.  As I have said before anybody that takes  her information on the local govt issues now is nuts, because she has no credibility at this point due to here husband's Hirschey govt ties.
  People say Dave is nothing more than a tool for Pundt, however, if you want to see the most insidious example of this theory of who is whose tool  in action watch closely Wiley at JLL and Pandy today.  The Hirschey board says jump and they immediately have to ask Urban how high and in what direction.  After all, the standard now by admission of all these blog sheep is that if Dave agrees with me or I agree with him we are immediately tools of each other.  By that reasoning then the entire town board, the blogs and all the blog sheep that agree with Urban and the board are now his obvious tools and under his control.  That isn’t my standard…that is a standard YOU all set.

Anyhow I knew in a split second that when Pandy removed Dave’s comment and phone # that Wiley at JLL would also suck down the marching orders and block Dave too.   It was  weirdly the same when they blocked me, within a day or so they were both blocking.  People do funny things when they are so locked down and influenced by a social peer system, where they blindly  see one person as their exhaulted  leader.  Think about that for a minute!  Wiley even told me in a phone conversation on time he thought Urban Hirschey was the "Golden Fleece"

Now why would they in the best interest of the community not want to allow Dave to post his # and make it a point to  encourage people to talk to him and try to understand his view. Just like a mirror of the town board why do they want to inhibit him and his information.   I hear this BS coming from WPEG people and the govt about healing.  So why not open that door.  JLL and Pandy could express their disagreement and then let people make up their own minds.  Apparently they are frightened to death somebody might see it differently after having a measured conversation with Dave. They can’t end it at disagreement…the point here is as tools of the town board disagreement can’t be tolerated so the flow of information has to be tightly manipulated and controlled.  

The level of attack and marginalization, and attempted control and manipulation of the information says very clearly that Dave’s message and actions were extremely powerful.  Why else go to all this effort.
Do you see many people commenting on Dave;s actual thoughts or ideas?  No..they have got to attack the messenger and silence him.  The exact tactic the wind developers use and the VFW and the other pro wind proponents use.  Keep the propaganda controlled, sign a loyalty oath, and make sure no other message gets out there. Break the loyality oath and you get cast out.

 Dave didn’t attempt to embarrass this town board and neither have I.  They and their  rabid monothink supporters did that all by themselves and now they are working overtime at damage control.

Why Not Call The Man and Ask Him Yourself????

In a phone conversation this AM with  Dave Lamora he  indicated to me that he will not get swept into the blog hoopla and distortions over his actions at the Cape Vincent zoning public hearing.

He then asked if I would post just  something only of general information on my blog. 

He is requesting that ANYONE who would like to understand or get  more clarity on his actions or point of view call him directly to discuss it at the following number.

315-783-8744   Locally you can drop the area code 315.

  He indicated he will listen and discuss it with anybody in the more rational quiet forum of a one on one phone call.  I highly encourage people to do this.

Now I am not speaking for Dave here, but I am going to  bet that if you felt you would like to speak to him face to face he would probably accommodate that request as well.  But as I said you would have to ask him.

Now on a personal note of my own... Dave himself has posted this on the other blogs under comments. 

Sunday, July 22, 2012

A Request From Dave Lamora


Just about everybody by now who has any interest in the Cape Vincent wind issue  knows of the public  hearing events surrounding the new zoning law.   Cape Citizen Dave Lamora  requested the uninterrupted  time he needed to make what he thought were some critical points about Article X and our zoning and comp plan and felt three minutes was not sufficient.  This turned into an incident where the police were called once again.  Since yesterday I have discussed this event with Dave.    I will have more to say, not about my personal discussions with Dave, but about the public hearing events, and the issues around it.   The attacks (and lies) that came out on this issue against Lamora and myself on both CV blogs and by many of their commenters were absolutely predictable. 

Dave as a friend has made a request that I am going to honor.  He has made it clear that I obviously have a right to say what I feel about the event and present my the facts as I see them, and encourages me to exercise that right,  but he has asked that I make it very clear that any comments or interpretations of the public hearing events or any of the surrounding issues are my opinion, and my opinion only and not his through me.  So that will be the case. What you see in coming days is now and has always been MY opinion whether Dave agrees or not.  If Dave has comments he is always welcome to state them here if he chooses, and I may agree what he says or I may not. This should not be interpreted as a personal division between Dave and me because it is not.  This is a request from a friend, and that is all it is.

 Dave does not tell me what to put on my blog or how to say it, and in fact at times does not agree with my approach or what I say.  Sometimes he does.  In turn, despite everybody’s fantasy,  I have not tried to tell him what to say on my blog or in any other forum including the recent public hearing. Some of you are not going to believe that and that is not Dave’s and my problem…that is your own defective defensive thinking that you require to simplify your own little universe so you can keep your thinking tightly limited within the boundaries somebody else has defined for you.

Now all this being said, I noticed that interwoven among the negative comments were a few positive ones about Dave’s actions and ideas.  There were some who felt Dave’s comments were very relevant and a well thought out critical analysis of what we are facing, why, and what we should resolve it.

To those people I would say thank you, and it is far far past time to stand  up an be heard.  One man was so committed to the defense of our community that he was willing to be arrested on our behalf if that is what it took to make his point. The extremely sad part is that many will see this as ”unreasonable”, when in fact it is not.  It is what democracy actually demands and requires  of all of us at times as absolutely reasonable. Unfortunately we have shrunken so far back from what democracy actually demands of us and was gifted to us, and been beaten down so hard, by what is defined as “normal” that we now see the very thing that was designed to sustain democracy as unreasonable.    I would also highly encourage you to start using your name as well.  With where we are now, anonymous doesn’t cut it any longer.

If you agree with Dave and his comments and commitment, as I do, then we are at the point that if you as a concerned citizen don’t stand up and be heard you may never have that chance again to truly do what is needed to save this community.  We are fast drawing very short on time, and times like these define people as to what they really are inside, just as we saw at the public hearing among our board and citizens.  Who had true leadership and who didn’t.  Under a simple reasonable democratic request most of our town board came unhinged and could not handle the very democracy that put them in office when it made them a bit uncomfortable.  They could not make a simple and reasonable decision to diffuse a simple issue and instead became so threatened they had to surrender their responsibilities to the police.

And if you can’t be anything but anonymous then all you are really doing is just taking up valuable space.  Go find some non threatening hobby, but don’t continue to  take up space in this arena where you only fantasize you are actually on the playing field and in the game.  I certainly don’t want anybody to do any independent thinking where you might hurt yourself without some blog’s or political party’s  protection.  It’s times like these that define  who walks the walk, and who only talks the talk.

  I will have a post soon on at least one town leader who badly failed that test under pressure , and the sad glaring facts as to why.

The Cost Of 3 Minutes

I pay roughly $ 5000 + in taxes on my Cape Vincent property.  Divided by 3 minutes that comes out to $1,666 per minute.  The town board's absurd 3 minutes to talk at a public hearing  is rather expensive democracy for all of us.

Saturday, July 21, 2012

All this Over 3 Freakin Minutes???!!!

7 years of the wind fiasco in Cape Vincent. Approximately 6 months of zoning committee work, much more if you figure this law was in the works probably soon after the election or earlier.  The most important issue to face Cape Vincent in it's history.  BP breathing down our neck along with a NY law ready to strip our rights away. The entire region under industrial wind threat, and a zoning law that is by far the most critical zoning this town may ever decide on...and at the official public hearing people get THREE ARBITRARY MINUTES to comment, and the members on the town board can't even agree on that as they start throwing out more arbitrary minute numbers!!! Like doubling the time to 6 minutes somehow has a magic effect.

Then rather than just recognize the obvious and let Mr. Lamora speak till he was finished and anybody else for that matter, which occurred anyhow by a negotiated decision, despite the fact the board couldn't even agree among themselves, they call the police who could be dealing with drunk drivers, or domestic abuse  or any other number of critical calls, the board calls the police as if something is highly illegal.  They call the police on something arbitrary they can't agree on and could have reasonably agreed to and negotiated BEFORE they called the police.

Wiley at JLL is promoting the idea that Lamora wasted the  citizen's time.  Ahhh...I would say that the board's knee jerk over reaction and inflexibility was the prime issue in wasted time.  As a friend of mine once said, "They were pole vaulting over mouse turds"  They gave themselves a black eye as a result.  In fact I spoke to councilman Bragdon and asked him what was the point of this and calling the police and what do they have to lose to let everyone speak at length.  He seemed to agree and in fact said " we are going to look like a bunch of morons!!!"  I give Bragdon high marks for clarity on this incident.  Let's see...wasn't open and transparent govt the mantra of this board before they were elected.  How exactly does arresting people for exercising their 1st amendment rights fit into that campaign promise.

Of course none of this should have been a surprise to anyone.  This same inflexibility is exactly what has been demonstrated by the town board and their zoning committee in their tunnel visioned approach toward setback zoning as an appeasement to Article X as the ONLY approach.

I guess the reason you allow only three minutes is because you see your law as so perfect formulated by the "experts" they could not envision that anyone might show up and not slap them endlessly on the back.  I could see why that would only require three minutes!

And of course Wiley at JLL takes his cue and chimes right in on his blog defending the town board over them running around like chickens with their heads cut off and calling the police before they could even decide themselves what to do.  By the way I noticed  that as a good American and Republican Wiley voted against Lamora be able to speak longer when the audience was polled.
And what kind of BS is that anyhow...2 polls.  Just make a damn decision.

A person highly educated and involved on the wind issue, a man who has committed several years to the community on this issue and volunteered numerous months and hours with no pay of his free time with detailed input to help formulate a Comp Plan, a man that was almost arrested opposing Edsall when he ran amuck...and our towns board's reaction when he asks for a little and contiuous extra time so his points are coherent andto impart some very important rational and measured thoughts from his long detailed experience is to have him arrested as a thank you???????  What the hell is wrong with this picture?????

All this over  inflexible adherence to three freakin minutes!!!!!!  Three minutes in the context of the issue isn't a rule...it's an absurd joke!

And people wonder why I might question the judgement of these guys when they were running for office.  Makes me wonder just how clear their judgment has been on their approach to our zoning law!!!

Another Cape Vincent Citizen Threatened With Arrest For Exercising Their 1st Amendment Rights.


During today’s public hearing on the new Cape Vincent zoning law, one man who clearly understands the implication of the insidious Article X legislation which can take away our home rule rights refused to be seated after his allotted time. Cape Vincent citizen and Comp Plan Committee member Dave Lamora, refused to be seated and relinquish the floor when the CV town board attempted to end his three minute speaking time.  He was discussing the town's zoning approach to  the Article X process and needed additional time to explain the critical details of why we should not be enabling the State and corporate power grab with our zoning laws particularly on wind development.  

Once again an action we are all too familiar with was then taken. The police were called to remove Mr. Lamora.


After his comments Cape Vincent citizen Dave Lamora has a friendly discussion with a NYS Trooper and Cape Vincent Zoning Attorney Paul Curtin today outside the CV Community House. 


Those of us in attendance witnessed an example of what it will take to truly protect our town if we are serious about opposing Article X and corporate dominance of our lives.  You see…there are people who shrink from the battle, there are those that are anonymous, and there are those that put everything and their name on the line, even under threat of arrest because they refuse to be silenced  and follow a few predetermined arbitrary rules that by default favor the very  system of corporate dominance, we should be fighting.  They are leaders who understand the true gravity of the situation and what to do about it…
…so why do we keep trying to arrest them or silence their voices?
If you were in attendance today and opposed to the insidious Article X power grab of our community, you should use this incident to carefully reflect as to where you stand and why and what you are willing to do to protect our community.
Thank you Mr. Lamora.
In the end, after a meeting that was temporarily recessed, and many small aside discussions  among town officers and the public, (more on that later) and as three law enforcement officers arrived,  the meeting reconvened and the town board allowed Mr. Lamora to speak. I commend them for making a wise choice on the matter.

More on this incident coming soon.

Thursday, July 19, 2012

WHAT IS CUOMO HIDING????

A friend made me aware of this article in the NY Daily News about NY Gov. Cuomo's efforts to keep all his communications secret and leave no paper trail.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gov-cuomo-big-secret-reason-unrecorded-texting-system-fear-hacking-article-1.1117311

Makes you wonder what Cuomo is hiding????  Of course we in Cape Vincent have the details into at least one dirty little deal Gov. Cuomo is hiding, now don't we!!!  Wonder if the reporter Mr. Lovett would be interested in that?  On Aug. 13 it will be two years since Cuomo as NY AG  announced the investigation of our old CV Town Govt.  Hhhmmm...what ever happened to that?  Probably evaporated just like he does with his other communications.

And it gets even more intertesting now that the beta is that the son of  former NY Sen. Aubertine, the former senator now appointted to the Ag and Markets Comm. by Cuomo that Cuomo is ptotecting and grooming, now has a  son Paul Aubertine putting his name up for the CV Town Board seat vacated by pro wind  Mikey Orvis.

And pay attention, because as I predicted and it was really a no brainer, the reporter is saying Cuomo is considering a 2016 run for President.  NO KIDDING!!!!!

Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Another Comment On A Comment

I saw this comment on ther blogs.  It was in reference to the fact that someone thinks I have not been active in the community.  I take exception to that.  I have fought tooth and nail for the protection of this community for the last six  years against the invasion of industrial wind energy. AND backed that with my name and taken a great deal of abuse as a result. And people probably don't remember that I was along with others like Shirley Hambil invloved in saving the Tibbets Pt. light house, one of the scenic icons of Cape Vincent when it was under threat.  We would hold street art shows and a good portion of the sales would go to the fund to save the lighthouse.  That included running some of the early ice cream socials at the light house as well.

Here is the comment:


"Mr. Pundt also ridicules the right to post anonymously. Unlike Mr. Pundt, I am very active in my community with organizations and church. Mr. Pundt is not. I am not so willing to put my name out there. Many of us try to keep our little village and town going while living under the threat of a wind farm. We do not all have the luxury of speaking from afar as Mr. Pundt does."

But what really caught my eye was the  reference to church.  I fully support anyone’s right to pick whatever spiritual venue they think will bring  spiritual support and meaning to their lives.  I am happy for this person that they have found that in their community church of their choice.  My next comment is in no way an attack on this person’s personal spiritual activities or people who attend any church.  I respect that.

But the church reference does make me ponder one thing.  What did Jesus do when he was faced with challenges and hardship and rights and wrongs? What if he was here in Cape Vincent seeing his community ripped apart and destroyed by big moneyed interests and greed.    He outright defied the powers and beliefs of the day and we all know that in the end gave his life for what he believed in.

What did he do to the money changers in the temple.  Make any parallels you want here that apply.

Matthew 21:12

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
“And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves”,

Now I am not a religious historian, but I am going to take a wild stab here that when Jesus was overturning those seats and tables to cleanse the temple he didn’t do it anonymously.

I am also going to take a wild guess that during Jesus’s life, the actions he took were not taken anonymously either. I am guessing that everybody who encountered him knew exactly who he was and what he stood for especially when he saw the blatant wrong right before his eyes. So what are we missing in this lesson?????

Just some thoughts to ponder the next time all of us go to church and realize we have those same vile money changers now in our town and temple and the wrongs are so blantantly obvious.
What does it take and how bad must it get before we all stand up and stop compromising our essential and basic beliefs. Do we let the industrial wind developers take that away too?
You talk of keeping our little village and town going while living under the threat of a wind farm. Keep it going for what and going where?...to let fear compromise everything you believe in?







    


More Blog Censorship????


It must be like moths mindlessly flying around  a light the way the commenters on the Cape Vincent blogs  respond.   This comment was left on JLL by another anonymous reader.

“Anonymous said...


Rick
Lamora is nothing but an Art Pundt tool. He is pulling the same crap Artie did before you shut him down when he was taking over and ruining your blog before.
Shut him down.”



I have known Dave Lamora for something like 40 years. I can tell you for fact that he is nobody’s mouth piece or tool. It just so happens that he and I agree on a number of things in the CV wind battle and we also disagree on some things as well.
I wonder if this person as any freakin clue as to what they are saying and what they have opened themselves up too in terms of defective logic and thinking.   Are you sure you really want to go there????
Now I am going to venture a guess that the commenter is friendly to the wind “opposition” based on the nature of their comments .  If not I will explain the other side too.  If that is the case let’s examine who is actually a tool of who?   I wonder if the idiot who made this comment can educate all of us on exactly how Dave and I agreeing on some things would be any  different from the entire town board (except for Orvis) and their supporters and blogs and voters, agreeing with and being in lock step with the Republican mantra of the Hirschey board?  This would mean they are all tools as well by this simpleton line of thinking. That would also include most of the Planning Board and Zoning Board of Appeals  they  appointed, and many on the various committees they have  appointed.  You all think virtually the SAME on just about everything.  So who would be whose tool in those cases if YOU agree with the Republicans and Hirschey and his town board etc?  I guess they are all mouth pieces for the Hirschey mantra by this commenter’s  standards since they too agree and never seem to question the Republicans or our new town board.  I guess by this commenter’s idiotic comparison of Lamora and I the other CV  Republicans would simply be tools of Mr. Hirschey and his board as well since they agree with him on the wind issue.  There has been virtually no disagreements or dissention or a variety of ideas on the Town Board if you discount Orvis.  Geees…talk about group think.  And  If you are going to talk about who is whose tools and idea clones, this would absolutely pale by comparison to the fact that Lamora and I happen to agree on some ideas and approaches in the CV wind issue. Now by this idiotic marginalization presented by this commenter, this could be extended to mean that anyone who agreed enough with the Hirschey govt to vote for them would be nothing more that a tool for that Republican Town Board agenda.  The  absurd logic black hole you crawled into that anyone who has similar ideas like Dave and myself are tools of one another just marginalized Hirschey and his supporters, his appointments and all the people in CV that voted and supported them.  You are brilliant!!!! They must all be tools of each other by the very definition of your one  dimensional thinking that you are  attempting to peddle.
Now let’s assume you are pro wind and that was the thrust of your comments.   Well sit down because this gets even more absurd! 
If you are pro wind and want to talk about who is whose tool, keep in mind you got sheered like sheep right down to the skin as a direct mindless tool  for the wind developers because they shut down your thinking by waving a wad of cash in your faces, and you have been used so badly you haven’t yet woken up to that fact.  Wanna talk about who is whose tool?  Ok…you had to hire a PR firm run by the PR disaster Marion Trieste  that went so far as to tell you all how to dress in public with  your idiotic green cheer leader uniform shirts,  you had to sign a loyalty oath to be part of  VFW, and taught where to sit together in meetings like lemmings, and be scripted as to what to say and when to say it.  Then you all had to put up signs in your yards in lock step promoting wind. 
Yeah …either way pro or anti wind you guys are real brilliant examples of free thinkers.  Geees give me a break!!! This too pales by the fact that Dave Lamora and I agree on some things in the wind issue in CV.

But here is the real kicker in this idiot’s who is a tool of who debate.  In order for this person in his little limited one dimensional  domain to make sure that nothing threatens his group’s script, he is actually asking Wiley to censor  any dissention or further discussion or alternative ideas.  Wanna talk about tools…Ok…This person who claims Dave and I are tools of each other because we happen to agree  on some things is so desperate and scared of alternative ideas that he is actually asking JLL to make sure no other ideas reach his brain or the brains of the group he aligns with or get consideration by the public at large, by asking Wiley to use the insidious tool of censorship. All thoughts must be in lock step so everyone can remain a tool of the Republican party or pro wind mantra without threat. In the end both side pro and anti have resorted to the exact same tactics of blind allegiance to dogma.
Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t this exactly how totalitarian regimes structure the flow of information and ideas?  Don’t like someone’s idea so make sure it gets no audience or consideration.  Didn’t Wiley in fact make a point of this in his post about his trip to Communist Cuba and how things work there just like that. 
And isn’t restricting, blocking, and censoring information the very technique the wind developers use with non-disclosure clauses in their leases so they can conquer unsuspecting communities just like CV?
As I said when you consider this with some clarity, the fact that Dave and I agree on some things pales by comparison to insidious request to actually censor and  eliminate discussion and alternative ideas in one of the most critical issues in CV’s history.
Dave and I may agree on some things  maybe many things  in the CV wind battle by virtue of our independent research and thoughts  and then discuss those ideas in an open debate, where many times  we severely test each other’s hypothesis and test it against other people and the public  to see if  they hold  up. And all these blog commenter s are an example and their reponses don’t hold up well when all they can come up with is censorship to protect themselves and stay anonymous . But in this process  neither of us have succumbed to being dragged down in the insidious undemocratic dangerous rat hole of censorship that this commenter requires to protect his apparently weak ideas that could not stand up to a similar test. And in the end Dave an I give our ideas the severest test by stepping up to the plate right in front of  the public and stamping our names on our ideas.  Then our ideas have to also endure the anonymous hit and run tactics of the other CV  blogs, and even then when that is not enough you have to go whimpering to the blog administrators to please block Lamora and Pundt.   It is actually quite a compliment to consider that some people are so threatened by our ideas that they think we must be censored. It is a measure of the power of the ideas and the delivery.
I am proud to be Dave Lamora’s friend and have the opportunity to listen to his well measured and intelligent  thoughts and analysis. And I am proud  of the often difficult and very challenging process we require of each other to test our individual ideas and thoughts and writings  and bring them to a solid conclusion.  This is so contrary to the simpleton idea of “ I don’t like your ideas so make sure someone blocks them so I don’t have to be scared and think about them or actually be accountable for what I say”
In the end because we put our names behind our thinking, we have to be accountable, and the bloggers and hit and run commenters are actually a process that makes us just that much stronger by attempting to make us accountable.  This idea that we are willing to stand up and say what we believe and put our names behind it despite the attacks is what in the end just fries the cookies of people who don’t have the backbone to do that.  It just drives them nuts, as you can see by the attacks because it makes them analyze their own lack of integrity and why they must slink around under the protection of  anonymous and try to have comments that make them accountable blocked.  I am glad I don’t have to live with that weight around my neck.
Wiley and Pandora’s  has already blocked me and others thus I have opened my own blog to make sure there is at least one alternative voice not mired in anyone’s group think.   If Wiley blocks Lamora on behalf of this commenter’s idiot suggestion, then I would suggest that Mr. Wiley and the bulk of his commenters  go back to Cuba and take his blog to where the ideas of censorship are comfortably accepted as the norm.
I would hope Mr. Wiley would have much more integrity and backbone than that since he is a direct reflection of the Republican party and the new town govt. and Mr. Lamora was a direct representative of that very govt on the CV Comp Plan committee.  Or since Mr. Lamora worked within the system and had valuable direct influence and input to the Comp Plan committee… should we completely censor that too???  That is a measure of just  how really STUPID this commenter’s ideas are!