Suddenly on K’s Pandora blog a discussion has cropped up
about new Cape Vincent town councilman Paul Aubertine and his conflict of
interest since his parents have wind leases with BP. Rick Wiley at JLL throws
his support behind K and her post.
Now I’m am sure to your amazement … I fully agree on the
basic premise of the Pandora’s post on Paul Aubertine’s conflict and that he
should not be in any wind issue discussions as he was at the last town board
meeting.
I encourage you to read her post at the link below.
This post is good and raised good questions, however, it
also opens a door to other important details she is missing. Or ignoring. Of course commenters on both blogs jump right in on cue to follow the script without
any further thought. And of course the
script says this is entirely BP and Aubertine’s fault. She has to keep it simple so the intended
audience will react correctly. Why are you people so easily manipulated???
So let’s examine a few more details shall we. And a little CV wind history and records are in order to
really understand the issue.
In my opinion Aubertine does have a direct enough conflict
that he should recuse. I base this on a
number of things. A Jefferson County
Ethics Board opinion you can see below, about former wind conflicted CV councilmen and a portion of a NYAG office
opinion below as well. Note the AG idea
that even the “appearance” of a conflict should be avoided. Aubertine is way beyond just an “appearance”
of a conflict. And he may be in
violation of both the state ethics code and the CV ethics code.
I also base my opinion on having had direct face to face
conversations with top lawyers and investigators with former AG Cuomo’s office on the conflicts
of other former CV officials. om everything I have learned, Aubertine’s relationship is too close to the family
BP leases to claim no conflict.
And remember the former Edsall PB pro wind Albany lawyers
made an argument that officers like Edsall or others with leases or close family relations might get away
with discussing and voting on wind issues if they only discussed the “other”
wind farm. Not the one they had leases or a direct family member had ties to.
But that relationship no longer exists and is not an option
for Aubertine since BP is the ONLY wind developer now.
Now Pandora wants to lay the entire blame on BP for not
disclosing Aubertine’s conflict and on Aubertine. Yes, of course, that is a major part of the
issue…however, that is only one narrow part of the story. There are responsibilities that lie elsewhere
as well if we take the examination of conflicts and ethics to a fuller
and more accurate examination.
There is also a very
relevant question as to why right now is
Aubertine being allowed to be in the discussion without any objection. Who is enabling and tolerating him with his
conflicts? Pandora conveniently skips
over that discussion.
For example…when Mickey Orvis stepped down as CV councilman
it left a TB open seat. I have it from
two very reliable CV Republican sources that Brooks Bragdon and Urban Hirschey
were seriously considering appointing Paul Aubertine to the empty board seat. One person told me about this, but it seemed real
odd so I kinda passed it off, but then another verified it. I was told by one source they wanted
Aubertine because they thought it would be “fair”. Did the elder Aubertine
actually have some unseen influence on the current board? To me this seems like a real weird move to
even consider!
So why would Bragdon and Hirschey (maybe others, I don’t
know) want to place a person on the board who they absolutely knew would have a
conflict and would raise such a controversy after a major part of their
election platform was ethics????
Especially when Michelle Oswald was available??????? Now there is a
complicated question I’ll bet no one will touch. And now there young Aubertine as big as life with obvious conflicts that may even violate ethics codes...instead of Oswald...and he is allowed to be right up to his new town board eyeballs in the wind discussion. Somebody want to explain fiasco to me. Is it any wonder we have seen faulty choices that lead to a solar zoning fiasco in this town???? You are starting to see why!
Now let’s be very clear.
By itself, Paul Aubertine’s
conflict IS NOT ILLEGAL and does not legally preclude him from being on the TB.
Conflicts surface on all kinds of issues in all kinds of govts. However, if he acts upon the issue creating
his conflict that is another matter and in violation of NYS and CV ethics
codes. So is he acting on is conflict?...and who is allowing that to happen?
Now in the Jefferson County Ethics Board letter above you will
notice a cross reference listed as State Gen, Mun. Law sec. 809. To save you
time I know this section very well. I
argued it in long detailed discussions with both the NY AG’s office and the Jefferson County Dist. Attorney, and numerous other attorneys.
That is a section on ethics and very
clearly shows that Aubertine has close enough ties with family leases to definitely
have a conflict and should recuse.
Here is a link to NY Gen. Mun. Law Art. 18 sec 809. See for yourself!
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/GMU/18/809
Here is a link to NY Gen. Mun. Law Art. 18 sec 809. See for yourself!
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/GMU/18/809
But there is something else there too just as
important. It says under such
circumstances Aubertine should officially disclose his conflict. Our CV ethics code basically is modeled
roughly after state law and requires the same thing. It isn’t just BP exposing this to the AG’s
wind ethics code that matters. Although it is important. And remember the AG’s code is VOLUNTARY which
makes it less potent. That is why BP can get sloppy with it as they have. And as
we have found out the AG’s office doesn’t seem to really give a damn about
local ethics anyhow. So who should?????
Because the AG code probably isn't even reviewed and sits in a dusty file somewhere.
Because the AG code probably isn't even reviewed and sits in a dusty file somewhere.
In 2008 about three years after some former CV officers signed wind leases, the
big pro wind Albany lawyers swept into town and saw no disclosures on record
and probably realized what a screw up that was and the implications and probably said … “Hooooooly crap… you guys
haven’t disclosed yet…well get on it right now!!!
Former town supervisor Tom Rienbeck then required disclosure
statements from all his town officers and himself…not just the conflicted ones. I have all of them in my files, and we will
get to that in a minute as how it relates to P. Aubertine and the Pandora post
because one in particular is very important since K brought it up.
Having worked with several WPEG attorneys on the legal wind
issue matters they tipped me off that these officers should have officially disclosed
when they signed leases or if they were closely related by family. So I checked town records and you can see in
the letter below they had not as of 2007.
I also asked the town board directly and they said no disclosures, and
why should we disclose. More than likely
the Albany lawyers got wind of my official request for disclosures and
immediate tried to plug that hole. A big
violation of state and local ethics codes!!! And suddenly after 3 years out of
the blue Rienebck is making a big deal about disclosures. We based our WDT WPEG conflict ad you’ve seen
on these official disclosures. That is
how important they became. It finally exposed what a wind ethics cesspool CV really was.
And I kept asking WPEG the question. If these people took actions on wind issues without disclosures and the citizens didn't have official and legal disclosures to know...would all those actions be invalid, and because we didn't know would that erase the statute of limitations since we just got these disclosures now? It was an interesting question we debated with some WPEG lawyers.
And I kept asking WPEG the question. If these people took actions on wind issues without disclosures and the citizens didn't have official and legal disclosures to know...would all those actions be invalid, and because we didn't know would that erase the statute of limitations since we just got these disclosures now? It was an interesting question we debated with some WPEG lawyers.
Now in the Pandora post she brings up that Aubertine has a
similar conflict relationship like Karen Bourcy on the PB who has a son with
Wood Farm who has wind leases. She notes
that Karen’s name is listed on the BP, AG disclosures, and has recused on wind
issues. Then K sets up Bourcy as an
example Aubertine should follow. Holy
crap!!! Hold on just a minute
here!!! Is she serious???
In my opinion Karen Bourcy is the last person on the entire planet
that K should be suggesting as a shining example of ethics and recusal.
As per state and CV ethics codes she should have, but didn’t,
disclose her conflict for at least 3 years AFTER her family signed wind
leases. She finally did disclose in 2008
as you can see here with her disclosure below…BP is not her only disclosure as
Pandora suggests. I think this one is far more important, especially the lateness of it, and how she took votes with NO disclosure for the public to see!
And recusal???? She
only started recusing once the AG had her under investigation, and a new govt
was in place. But that was almost
pointless because she did not recuse much earlier when it really would have
mattered on very critical issues in the wind battle. That was while she was on
Edsall’s planning board where she just unquestioningly and repeatedly rubber
stamped Edsall’s conflicted votes. That
caused critical damage on behalf of the pro wind agenda which dramatically
accelerated the wind developer dominance and destruction of our community. And that was all while she and others had not
disclosed any conflicts as per law. The damage was long done by the time she started recusing!
Had she recused THEN, it might have radically changed the wind battle in the favor of more reasonable forces and brought some sanity to the issue. But she didn’t and in my opinion she can be credited among others as having done significant damage to this community by her actions. Not to mention she came under the AG’s investigation.
Had she recused THEN, it might have radically changed the wind battle in the favor of more reasonable forces and brought some sanity to the issue. But she didn’t and in my opinion she can be credited among others as having done significant damage to this community by her actions. Not to mention she came under the AG’s investigation.
But here is the real problem if you want to talk about disclosures
and ethics and recusals and who has responsibility. Then let’s examine that closer.
After knowing all this about Bourcy and seeing first hand
the destruction it caused to this community… in an unbelievable move Hirschey
and his govt simply turn right around and appoint her as an alternate to the
current planning board!!! Ethics???? What possible absurd justification could they
come up with for this move? It even
influriated some WPEG people.
Oh well…it was basically the same as considering appointing Aubertine…it was “fair” I remember asking Clif Schneider about it. His response was basically…"well nobody else stepped up” Oh great! So why not wait and recruit a better candidate? Ya know like maybe somebody not under investigation by the AG’s office for God’s sake!!!! She was after all an alternate, it wasn’t that critical that somebody be appointed right away. And people wonder why we have a solar zoning fiasco in this community with this kind of judgment!!!
Oh well…it was basically the same as considering appointing Aubertine…it was “fair” I remember asking Clif Schneider about it. His response was basically…"well nobody else stepped up” Oh great! So why not wait and recruit a better candidate? Ya know like maybe somebody not under investigation by the AG’s office for God’s sake!!!! She was after all an alternate, it wasn’t that critical that somebody be appointed right away. And people wonder why we have a solar zoning fiasco in this community with this kind of judgment!!!
I can’t believe K at Pandora
who Wiley says is “no fool” when it comes
to ethics is even suggesting Bourcy as some kind of role model for
Aubertine…that is really absurd!!! I am
afraid she got very badly fooled on that point!
Of course since
Hirschey agreed to appoint and support Bourcy despite her previous egregious
record, and even technically still under AG investigation …that makes it
perfectly OK. You don’t question those
things! How the hell do you ethically justify appointing someone with that
record and under investigation to an important town position???? And after you ran on a high ethics
platform.
Of course they also appointed Rockne Burns with a wind lease
as far as I know. That too baffles me.
And Burns was appointed I believe it was to the new comp plan committee in 2012
when they were also drafting the new zoning.
Was that ethical???? In general,
however, I think Burns has been more sensitive to his conflict issues and hasn't caused major damage to the community.
We know Aubertine is not likely to recuse on his own. His actions show that already. So who does the ultimate responsibility come to, to see ethics laws are followed in CV? To me those who stand by are just as guilty as the ethics violator.
We know Aubertine is not likely to recuse on his own. His actions show that already. So who does the ultimate responsibility come to, to see ethics laws are followed in CV? To me those who stand by are just as guilty as the ethics violator.
Now if you remember, Mr. Hirschey and his candidates ran
almost entirely on ethics. Below you can
see the part of their campaign statement related to that issue.
This begs a question based on their promises. Have they followed through? What does the record show? Well appointing Boucy was a complete and
blatant failure in that regard. In my opinion that was a
direct slap in the face of the voters that supported Hirschey and crew. They also seem to be slipping badly by letting Aubertine sit right there with them discussing wind issues.
Has Pandora or anybody asked Urban WHY he is allowing that? Well of course not!!! We simply do not ask those uncomfortable questions of the supervisor! If you do you are a nut case!! Like geee Urban why can't you read your own zoning law!!! See a trend here???
Note they say they will update the CV Ethics Code. Have they done that? Because the code should be much more specific
to mirror state GML sec. 809 that outlines clearly what type of family
relationships create an actual conflict. Like Aubertine’s for example.
Then note that part about making sure town officials abide
by the code. Ok…so has Hirschey made
Aubertine submit an official disclosure of his conflict and who he is related
too…as required by state law AND our
ethics code, or did that sorta get overlooked?
It should have been done right after he was sworn in and put in town
record. Or like Rienbeck are we just sorta going “be fair” and ignoring
that for awhile????? And is Hirschey raising an issue with
Aubertine’s conflict? If not…why not???? Here is the CV Ethics Code. See that apart about disclosures and conflicts? Wonder how that has been followed by Aubertine and Hirschey???
Ya know I think I will contact the town clerk and see what
is in town records!!! Anyone wanna put
up a bet?
Since Hirschey ran on ethics both in 2009 and 2011 how has
that actually worked out in other areas?
Well, first look at the quote below. I cut and pasted it from a report on
Hirschey’s 2010 wind law committee where he made no real fuss over people like
Donny and Marty Mason with wind leases participating on a committee to draft a
wind law.
I believe the quote was a
report from one of the other blogs, possibly from minutes… but it is a real
quote.
As you can see by his comment Mr. Hirschey is apparently not
too disturbed by two conflicted people on the wind law committee. He says “I don't have a problem with it”, and in
fact they participated through the entire wind committee with Hirschey until it
imploded in a deadlock a few months later.
Just as now he seems to have no problem with Aubertine discussing wind
issue despite Pandora’s obvious objection and it may be a violation of ethics
laws.
Maybe once again it
is to be “fair”. How far do we push this
“fairness approach” at the cost to ethics?????
Despite her good post on the basic issue she doesn’t want you
to examine too far as to who else has a responsibility on the ethics
matter. It’s much cleaner and less
complicated to frame it as all BP and Aubertine’s faulty. That is grossly unfair!
Now to Mr. Hirschey’s credit he did write the NYAG’s office
for an opinion on the Masons in 2010.
But note how he frames the conflicts in his letter below.
It is like he is
trying to justify the participation of these conflicted people. The “ this is a law of general application
impacting no particular councilman”
argument is pure nonsense! Both
those guys had severe and direct conflicts, and direct access to the committee
would give them a direct impact to be able to distort the law in their
favor. And in fact that was what
happened and the deadlock they created on sound and where turbines should be
sited proves that point. Yet Hirschey doesn’t
seem to have a grasp of that ethics fact in his letter.
I have no record of a response from the AG…but you can see
below part of another AG opinion that addresses the same issue. And there is absolutely no question that
Donny and Marty Mason were far far beyond a simple “appearance” of a conflict
that eroded the public trust!!! But like
I said apparently that didn’t upset Mr. Hirschey too much.
In point 3 Hirschey appears to try to insulate the
conflicted councilmen by arguing they won’t approve the siting of the towers as
if that somehow separates the conflicted Masons from the issue. Again…nonsense!
He states the PB will approve any wind
farm. Yeah… and they would have to do
that according to the very law the Masons would be allowed to have a direct
conflicted impact on!!! This argument is
so full of faults, and holes and justifications of conflicts it defies logic
from a person who ran on an ethics platform.
And put all that aside for a minute.
Did Hirschey not have a grasp on his planning board having
conflicts of interest up to their eye
balls? So we are going to let two
conflicted councilmen have an impact on the law, then hand it over to a
planning board full of wind conflicts of interest to administer where the PB has some discretionary power????? He can’t be serious with these
rationalizations.
Now if you wonder why Hirschey and his govt got into the
solar zoning fiasco that they did…right here is a prime example of the faulty
thinking and rationalizations that created it.
And no one wanted to question this judgment as Mr. Hirschey ran for
election in 2011, now with the entire fate of our community resting in his
hands!!! And here he is raising no
apparent objection to Aubertine’s obvious conflict as he discusses directly with
Aubertine a few feet away, and the board, the wind issues and Art 10. And this looks like a violation of CV and state ethics codes.
Then in 2010 after his first election Mr. Hirschey is
perfectly willing to reappoint Al Wood as zoning enforcement officer with he
and his family’s direct and blatant wind
conflicts, AND after Wood created another zoning fiasco by allowing
Roger Alexander’s private wind turbine. A permit on appeal the ZBA denied and
the courts upheld. See the minutes below from 1/4/2010.
Well I guess this was another case of trying to be “fair”
and heal the community????
So before K at Pandora gets too self-righteous about Aubertine’s
conflicts of interest, she and her readers and JLL readers should examine the
actual record a little deeper to see the
whole story of who has, and is enabling
conflicts of interest.
Some of her points are relevant….But it just ain’t that simple!!!
She should also be asking very pointedly WHY Hirschey and
this board sit right there with Aubertine allowing Aubertine to capitalize on his
conflict in what appears to be a direct violation of state and CV ethics codes.
How is that even possible from a group
who ran on high ethics? Was all that
campaign stuff just rhetoric or a scam to get elected because they figured the
public would buy it, and it could divert any questions about their stance on
the real issue…WIND?
I with others argued the ethics issues right up to the top
of the AG’s office… and it just pisses me off that still this nonsense is
tolerated the way it is by people who promised this community a much higher
standard of ethics.
If Hirschey and crew with a super majority on the TB stand
still for this nonsense, then in my opinion they are likely tolerating the
violation of state law and the CV ethics code they promised to protect. Just how is that different from the previous
govt????
But you can bet you won’t
see that discussion in Pandora’s post!
I have two questions? Why if the Ag's office was investigating the former TB, why was not one of them Questioned by the AG's office? How an investigation be done without talking to the ones being accused of wrong doings. I have talked to them and they said no one talked to them from the AG's office.
ReplyDeleteMy 2nd question, I got from Pandoras Blog in the comment section, how can they claim Paul Doctuer on the PB as Karen Bourcy is on PB ,does not have a conflict? Paul is related to the same people as Karen is.
8:43
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment and it is nice to have a reasonable comment here with a very good questions about the issue at hand for a change.
At the moment I have a bunch of stuff on my plate so I am a bit busy. As I mentioned that is why my comment moderation is going to be on a while But please stay tuned because I will definitely answer your questions as best I can a little later today.
I will say this... from my experience this whole conflict of interest thing gets very legally gray and blurry. Dealing with lawyers and courts can drive you NUTS on thi issue!
8:43, If you believe the former town officials version of the story, I have a bridge to Canada I'll sell you real cheap.
ReplyDeleteKaren Bourcy has direct relatives(son and brothers) that hold leases with BP. .
Paul Docteur is related by marriage to someone directly related to the same leaseholders.
Even though to some ,this relationship may appear to constitute a conflict of interest, the law says otherwise. Paul's wife would have a conflict, he does not.
My guess is, though, knowing Paul's character, he would recuse himself anyway in the event of it becoming an issue to avoid the suspicion of unethical influence.
That's the difference.
Ok 8:43, let me see if I can answer your questions. It will be in two comment boxes below
ReplyDeleteAbout the AG’s investigation. Not sure where you are getting the info. At the time a very reliable source…and I mean VERY reliable told me that town officers where interviewed and that included Bourcy.
Now to the question does Paul Docteur of the CV planning board have a conflict?
I am not a lawyer, let me make that clear, but for number of years in the CV wind battle I had the opportunity to interact with a number of them in detail including top NY AG staff and investigators,
Now here is a part of a comment on Pandy’s blog.
“Here we go again. Paul A has as much conflict as Paul Doctuer has. Please explain the difference if you think it is. Paul D. is related to the Woods. Paul A. is related to the Aubertines”.
My understanding is that Mr. Docteur is married to a Wood. A sister to Karen Bourcy and the Wood brothers. However, the Wood he is married and Mrs. Bourcy do not have wind contracts as far as I know. If you look in the post you will see Bourcys actual disclosure on this matter. She indicates she is immediately by family related to the Wood Farm that has contracts. Now in her case she would have a conflict because her son and her brothers have contracts. That is too close to claim no conflict.
In my opinionand experince it becomes a very gray area in Mr. Docteur’s case. So I’m betting somebody would be hard put to make a conflict case on him.
But I think Aubertine has a clear so close to his parents wind leases. It is a clear and immediate relationship.
And even if Paul Docteur had a conflict, he has no action to challenge. What action would you attach to him where he is profiting from wind or doing something that benefits pro wind????
Now one thing I have learned is that this whole conflict thing can get real legally fuzzy. However, there is real case law where votes and actions have been vacated by the courts on conflicts.
You can go to the link in my post on NY Gen. Mun. Law, sec 809 and see if you think Mr. Docteur has a conflict.
comment continued
ReplyDeleteNow here is another sad reality I have learned. If Aubertine does interact on a wind issue that might favor his parents contracts…so what. Tell me who is going to stop him? Hirschey won’t he could protest and make it real uncomfortable for Aubertine ( which I think he should) but he really can’t actually stop him. The town lawyer can’t, the town cops, the sheriff, nor the state police can’t either.
So who? There are no civil law cops (which this is) behind a billboard that will come and arrest Aubertine. Aubertine is the only one who can really police his ethics and recuse. And we know from daddy’s famous 2006 letter how he feel conflicts should not stand in the way!
The real civil cops are the citizens who might try to sue a town action and have it nullified. But nobody is going to jail. The vote may be nullified because of the conflict and it will have to do over. THAT is one thing Hirschey should consider on something important. But on a vote with Hirschey’s super majority a court might look at it and say well Aubertine’s vote didn’t matter anyhow
.
So for us as civil cops, so to speak, you are going to need $50k. $100 K $200K or more. I know that for fact from working in detail on legal issues with WPEG and their lawyers considering law suits on conflicts
So the size of your wallet will determine the level and quality of the justice, not actual ethics.
That was pretty much the case in the solar zoning fiasco. Mrs. Grogan who appealed a screwed up solar permit couldn’t afford a costly law suit. Roger Alexander who was applying for the permit could and he had actually sued the town previously on another issue, but lost.
Although this may not have been strictly a conflict case, BOTH Alexander and Grogan probably had damn good grounds for a law suits. But Alexander had the money. The ZBA was in a pickle, and even admitted the process was so screwed up it probably would not hold up in court. The ZBA went with Alexander. And Hirschey of course.
In my opinion this came down to ethics or money…the ZBA in my opinion went with money! Of course it was also so embarrassing that in my opinion they had to justify town actions especially since the supervisor had a project up. And ironically on video ZBA chair Faulkunham actually eludes to this when they decide to ignore a part of the law which in the end will favor Hirschey’s project. He basically said he thought they were doing the right thing with the law and if people didn’t think so they could sue!!!! Like I said it’s about money!!!
BTW…think about this…how does the town get itself into such a zoning mess that BOTH parties in the situation have a good court case against the town!!!
So much for the debate on ethics!!!